עבר עריכה על ידי pensteel בתאריך Shevat
8, 5769 10:25 PM
I thought I would post this from my blog from a year ago. I was
walking home one Friday night and experienced a missionary mugging! It
was written to a friend of mine after the incident. Feedback is
welcome!
Missionary Mugging
I just wanted to let you know that I got mugged tonight. That's right,
it was a Missionary Mugging. I was walking home in preparation for
Shabbat and noticed some Missionaries had set up a little table on the
sidewalk and was accosting people as they walked by. I didn't feel
like dealing with them and attempted to pass by unnoticed. I failed.
One of the Missionaries handed me something that looked like money.
Missionary: "Here's a million dollars just for you and you can put it
in the bank".
Adam: "huh, what is this".
Missionary: "Read the back".
Adam: I flipped it over and it said "If you died today would you go to
heaven"? I immediately made a face and handed the money back to him.
"No thanks, I'm not a Christian", and tried to move on.
Missionary: "well that's why I'm giving it to you, do you believe in
heaven, or are we reincarnated or do you just not believe in
anything".
Adam: I thought to myself, that the Missionary had lost his chance to
walk away. Since he was forcing the discussion I would have to
respond, which is usually an uncomfortable experience for Christians
for they are rarely expecting to speak with someone like me.
"No", I replied.
Missionary: "No you don't believe in anything?" he asked.
Adam: "No, I don't believe in heaven, but I do believe that we go
somewhere".
Missionary: "Where do you believe we go", he goaded.
Adam: "According to the teachings of Israel those who earn it are
allowed to take their place in the world to come. The world to come is
much different than the Christian idea of heaven."
Missionary: "What religion are you"?
Adam: "I am a Noachide, it is the path of non-Jews according to the
revelation of Sinai"
Missionary: Looking puzzled he then asked me, "What category would you
place your religion"?
Adam: Clearly he was trying to put me in a box that would better aid
his missionizing. "I would place myself in the category of a non-Jew
who follows the Noahide Laws. The Noachide Laws being named after
Noah, who survived the flood and who, through his children,
repopulated the world".
Missionary: "Where did you find this" he asked bewildered.
Adam: "In the Talmud of course, there they list the Seven Noachide
Laws. These are the laws that every person, unless they are Jewish are
expected to follow. We should follow the Seven Laws not the ten
commandments".
Missionary: "What are these Seven Laws"?
Adam: "The Seven Noachide Laws are:
1. The prohibition against idolatry
2. The prohibition against blasphemy
3. The prohibition against theft
4. The prohibition against murder
5. The prohibition against illicit relationships
6. The prohibition against eating the limb of a living animal
7. The command to establish courts of justice
Again, these are the basic expectations God places upon those not
commanded to fulfill the 613 commandments given to Israel at mount
Sinai".
It was clear that this was new territory for my mislead mugger and he
was struggling to both get his mind around this thing that he had
heard for the first time, and the need to spread his "good news". I've
always felt no news is good news, but I was never a very good
Christian even before I left the flock.
Getting the conversation back on track he asked,
Missionary: "Where does Jesus fit into this"?
Adam: "No where, Jesus has nothing to do with the Noachide Laws. Jesus
has nothing to do with Judaism in any way".
Missionary: "What is your opinion of Jesus, do you think he really
existed"?
Adam: "Maybe, I see no problem with that"
Missionary: "Do you believe he was nailed upon the cross"?
Adam: "It's possible, I have no problem with that either".
Missionary: "Do you believe he rose from the dead"?
Adam: "No, I don't believe that story, but I can tell you that even if
he did rise from the dead this would prove nothing. Judaism is not a
religion of miracles. Miracles are unreliable as a source of proof. In
fact, we are told in Deuteronomy that a person could come and perform
miracles and tell the future, but if he tells us to follow other gods
then he is a false prophet. It is possible for Jesus or anyone to
perform incredible miracles and still be a false prophet. What matters
the most is whether or not he upholds the laws of Sinai".
Missionary: "How long have you studied this"?
Adam: "About ten years."
Missionary: "Were you always a Noachide"?
Adam: "No, I grew up as a Christian, but eventually rejected
Christianity"
Missionary: "What do you mean you were a Christian"?
Adam: Almost every time I reveal this to a Christian they immediately
assume that I was probably only a Christian in name only. It seems
impossible to them that a serious Christian could ever turn away from
Christianity. I'm sure in part this probably has something to do with
their beliefs on salvation. After all, his question "if you died today
would you go to heaven", seems to imply that if you are a Christian
the answer to this question would be yes. However, if you look at
Christian theology, or at least the theologies of Christianity that I
have examined, there is as much certainty that a devout Christian will
go to heaven as there is that a heathen will go to hell. What I mean
is that because over our lives we human beings take many courses, it
could be that the devout Christian could reach a point in their life
where they are no longer devout, and the heathen could reach a point
where he is no longer a heathen but a Christian.
The only guarantee that Christianity can make to people is that if
upon your death you die as a devout Christian who has lived up to
whatever vague expectations Christianity sets up for you then you will
get into heaven. Therefore, the whole question of "if you died today
would you go to heaven" is absurd, even from a Christian perspective.
I replied to his question of what I meant that I was a Christian very
simply, "I grew up as a Baptist, went to church, the whole thing". Of
course this doesn't really mark me out as an all-star Christian, and I
never claimed to be. However, to suspect that the reason I am no
longer a Christian is because I didn't take Christianity seriously
enough is silly. I can say this because while in college, as you know,
I was constantly challenged by Christians to defend my beliefs. As
part of my defense I studied Christianity very in-depth, reading books
and essays on Christian theology, attending lectures, and asking
questions of my friends who were Christian. The truth is that I
probably reached a point where I knew more about Christianity and what
they believed and why they believed it than your average Christian, at
least this is what I was told by Christians. I have always felt that I
gave Christianity its fair chance to convince me and after four years
of being challenged not only was I unconvinced, but Christian
arguments became weaker and weaker. In fact, I usually know what
arguments Christians will make so debating Christians is not very
challenging. My studies of Torah have had the opposite effect. The
more I learn Torah the stronger my knowledge in Hashem becomes and the
closer I feel to the God of everything and everyone. I also have an
increased awareness of my ignorance, and the drive to reduce that
ignorance as much as I can. Also, I cannot remember the last boring or
predictable conversation I had regarding the Torah.
Missionary: "Why did you leave Christianity"?
Adam: "Oddly enough my departure from Christianity was a result of
trying to understand Jesus better. I reasoned that if Jesus were a Jew
and most of the people he spoke with were Jewish, and then whatever he
said would probably be best understood if I knew something about
Judaism. From there I began to study Judaism. The first thing to go
was the deity of Christ. There isn't a single verse in the Tanach or
"Old Testament" as Christians call it, which supports the notion of a
man being God. In fact the opposite is true the Torah completely
condemns such an idea where it says in Numbers "God is not a man...".
You cannot get any clearer than that. Jesus was a man therefore it was
impossible for him to be God.
The next thing to go was Jesus as the Messiah. In order for Jesus to
be the Messiah he would have needed to accomplish a certain number of
things, at the very least he would need to be involved in regathering
the exiles of Israel back to the land, fight the wars of Israel,
uphold the Torah and encourage others to uphold the Torah, and the
Messiah will be involved in helping the world to realize world peace,
but Jesus did not accomplish any of those things. If Jesus did not do
the job of the Messiah then how can we grant him the title of Messiah?
Finally, I dispensed with the idea that Jesus was a good Rabbi. I
decided that even if he were a good Rabbi I know so many better
Rabbis, like the Rabbis of the Talmud, those rabbinic masters who
taught the oral tradition from Sinai, even Rabbis today I would
consider better Rabbis. Also, whatever Jesus was trying to say has
probably come down to us in a garbled form. Plus, I have to doubt that
Jesus was a very good Rabbi, to have been so misunderstood by his
followers, to cause people to think he was God, there must have been
something lacking in his teaching".
The missionary I was speaking with although asking lots of questions
was clearly looking for an opening some weakness in my understanding.
I believe he thought he had found one when he next asked,
Missionary: "When you said that "God is not a man" I think you and I
agree on this completely because God was not a man. What we pray to is
not a man-Jesus but to a part of the trinity that dwelled in the form
of Jesus. Have you heard of the trinity before"?
Adam: "Of course"
Missionary: "We do not believe that God is a man, rather that God has
one essence but is three persons. The three persons of God are the
ways that God relates to himself internally and relates externally to
us, but they do not violate the fact that God is one".
Adam: I did not wish the conversation to go down philosophical lines,
because I have learned that very often this is either accidentally or
intentionally a distraction from the subject at hand. The "Baker
Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics" (page 732) explains in detail
how the trinity does not violate the law of non-contradiction.
As interesting a discussion as it is, the truth is as the Rambam says
it, "Those who believe that God is One, and that He has many
attributes, declare the unity with their lips, and assume plurality in
their thoughts. This is like the doctrine of the Christians, who say
that He is one and He is three, and that the three are one" (Guide for
the Perplexed, Ch. 50, p. 67, Dover). Honestly having a philosophical
debate on the trinity gets you no where. This is what I responded to
the Missionary,
"It is impossible for you to make a philosophical argument for the
trinity. The best you can say is the trinity is an article of faith.
All you, as a Christian, can do is accept the trinity because you
accept the Christian religion, but you cannot defend the trinity
philosophically. The fact that it cannot be proven philosophically
leaves you with a problem because it is impossible to defend the
trinity from the scriptures, and by scriptures I mean the Hebrew
Scriptures". Of course I believe it is also possible to prove that
Jesus never claimed divinity from the New Testament, but I have a
personal dislike for citing the New Testament. Bringing up the New
Testament usually distracts the Christian from the issue under
discussion. The conversation winds up lost in a mind field of
apologetics.
Missionary: "This is not true; it is possible to make an argument for
the trinity". The "Old Testament" uses the word 'elohim' and it's a
plural word", he began.
Adam: I jumped in before he could continue the very bad argument he
was trying to make. "Why, does the Torah use the world 'elohim', and
it is a plural word you are right about that. The yud-mem ending of
the word tells us that it is plural. So it seems strange that a book
(the Torah) that claims strict monotheism would use such a word. The
first time we see the word is in the story of creation "In the
beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth" (Genesis 1:1). We
see this word later in the Torah, but it's not used to refer to God,
but to Moses. Exodus 7:1 says "...you will be an 'elohim' to Pharoah
and Aaron will be your prophet". Notice that the same word 'elohim' is
used in Exodus 7:1 to refer to Moses as the word in Genesis 1:1 where
it is talking about God. Are we then to conclude that there is more
than one Moses? Remember, I have already admitted that 'elohim' is
plural, so does this mean that we should think that Moses is plural?
We must say this if we are going to say that the usage of 'elohim' in
Genesis 1:1 means that God is plural. The fact is we don't believe
that 'elohim' in Exodus 7:1 is telling us that Moses is more than one,
or that he has multiple personalities (as the Christian trinity says
about God). Let me tell you what this word 'elohim' is telling us. 'Elohim'
come from the word eloh which means power, the term 'elohim' can be
understood as powers, it's indicating to us that God is the author of
all the forces in the universe, all the powers of nature and beyond
and that He is in control of them. With his prophet Moses or with
angels or kings, or judges who are also called 'elohim' it indicates
that they control a great deal of power. That's it. That is all it
means".
Missionary: "Do you believe the New Testament is reliable"?
Adam: "Not really, I've done some research into this subject and the
problem with the New Testament is that at the beginning of the first
century, at the birth of Christianity, you had this explosion of
competing Christian theologies, sort of like the Cambrian explosion of
life in the geological record. All of these competing sects had their
scriptures and those that used the same scriptures would manipulate
them to reflect their particular theology. There is also the fact that
the New Testament you read and cherish today is the result of not a
solid tradition of textual transmission, but the piecing together of
many different fragments. I admit it has been a while since I have
studied this subject, but back when I was interested in this subject,
from all the research I had done, it seemed clear to me that the New
Testament is unreliable".
Missionary: "This is a subject that I have spent a lot of time looking
into and studying, biblical criticism", he said. "You're right, there
are thousands of fragments, but in those fragments there isn't a
disagreement over any verses dealing with doctrine."
Adam: "Actually this is not true at all. In fact we have fragments
that are doctrinally in opposition. If one camp believed Jesus was a
god they would have the verse reflect that belief. If, on the other
hand, you had a group who believed he were human their version of the
same verse would reflect that. You had groups intentionally changing
parts of the New Testament to reflect their theology" I informed him.
Jacob Scharff reminded me when I was recounting this part of the
discussion that there were always major theological rifts between the
various groups of Christians. In fact, half of the members of the
Council of Nicea left because of disagreements over theology. For
Christians to pretend that there has ever been consistency to the
Christian religion prior to the Catholic Church is laughable.
Missionary: "This is just like with the Old Testament, we know that
there are errors in parts of the Old Testament, but I believe 100% in
the Old Testament and its reliability even though there are those
errors. It's the same way with the New Testament. By comparing the
other versions we're able to deduce the original material."
Adam: This comment of his is typical of Christians to find an argument
used against the New Testament and try to turn it around to show you
that you do not hold consistently to the same position when your own
material is challenged.
In truth, this is not unreasonable and I have always done my best when
hearing arguments against other religions to see if the argument could
be just as easily leveled at the Torah. I admit, this has helped me
stay away from many fallacious arguments. That's why when someone
tries to compare the Tanach and the Torah in this way to the New
Testament I can immediately tell them, "You're comparing apples and
oranges. The Torah has approximately nine mistakes. These mistakes are
of the nature of a samech being used instead of a final mem. The
amazing thing is that the Torah has been so well maintained for 3 ½
thousand years, in communities that had little or no contact for
hundreds of years and yet their Torahs are in 99% agreement with one
another. This demonstrates the reliability and the consistency of
Jewish tradition. The New Testament (I am mainly referring to the
gospels, the core of the New Testament) on the other hand has never
maintained, for even a century a reliable copy until the printing
press. It's not like we have three or four different copies but
thousands of fragments many of which are at odds with one another".
Missionary: "But we have a wider number of manuscripts to compare to
one another unlike the parts of the Old Testament", he responded.
Adam: "What does it matter if
you have thousands of copies of unreliable material where as I have
only a few copies of reliable material? If I were to print thousands
of pages of a document on what color the White house is and on some of
them it says the white house is red, and others say it is purple,
while others say it's only slightly green and so forth and I spread
these around and break them into fragments does the volume of pages
and fragments make the false statements any more true? Absolutely not!
Let's say on the other hand I only have a few copies of documents
saying the white house is located in Washington D.C. but in only a
couple of places there is a typo, does the few number of copies make
the document false? Absolutely not! It is impossible to compare the
two".
"I will tell you that it has been a while since I have studied textual
criticisms of Christianity, but ultimately this is not what makes
Christianity impossible, only unlikely. What Makes Christianity
impossible is that Christian theology is diametrically opposed to the
Tanach. This is important because any authority that the New Testament
or Christianity can claim is a result of linking itself to the Tanach.
This means that because Christianity has agreed that the Tanach is
authoritative the way for me to know whether or not I should follow
Christianity is to test its claims against the teachings of the Tanach.
The Tanach is very clearly in opposition to the claims that
Christianity makes, and therefore philosophy, textual criticism, and
the possibility that Jesus might have been a nice guy aside, it is
impossible for a person who holds the Tanach as authoritative to give
any credibility to Christianity".
Missionary: "What do you think about the sacrificial system"?
Adam: "What part of the sacrificial system are you referring to? There
are many different kinds of sacrifices there are burnt offerings, sin
offerings, wave offerings, guilt offerings, and thanksgiving
offerings. Each sacrifice serves a different purpose. Non-Jews never
brought sin offerings because those offerings were only relevant to
Jews. Jews only brought sin-offerings for unintentional sins, but sin
offerings weren't always brought because someone sinned. For example,
a woman who gives birth will bring a sin offering and a burnt
offering. Why is a woman who gave birth bringing a sin offering? Did
she commit some sin in giving birth? Absolutely not! A woman who gives
birth loses a level of holiness when she gives birth because she is
carrying another human life inside of her. When the child is born
she's lost something and the sin offering is recognition of that. The
sin offering and burnt offering is being brought not because she has
sinned, but to help bring her back into balance with Hashem; to regain
her spiritual equilibrium".
Finally, the conversation wound down and he was ready to move on to
someone else. He asked me for my e-mail address and promised to write
some questions and send them to me. We parted warmly and I hope he
writes, because I think that there is a world of knowledge that he has
been unaware of until now, and it is a world of knowledge that anyone
seeking a true relationship with Hashem needs. The more people we can
get studying Torah the better this world will become.
I trust your trip has gone well and I look forward to hearing all
about you adventures when you return home.
Shalom,
Adam